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and this is weapons

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the idea of uh investigating anomalies

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is Central to Scientific progress you

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know you can stay in a safe Lane and and

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spend your whole career living within

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the Paradigm not risking going outside

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the boundaries of what's acceptable but

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in the history of science the ones that

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really make the difference are the ones

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that pursue anomalies something that

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doesn't fit the General accepted

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knowledge absolutely I couldn't agree

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more I mean I I and I think when Robert

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Bigelow founded uh needs as it became as

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it became known as I think that was a

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central objective was to bring in some

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mainstream quote-unquote scientists we

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were shortly joined by a physicist Eric

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Davis who was sort of Since since then

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become quite well known in the UFO

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circles and we also uh hired our Robert

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Bigelow hired a DVM PhD guy named George

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on that who was an expert at animal

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pathology on the purpose for doing that

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was because this organization was going

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to investigate scientific anomalies

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among which were cattle mutilations and

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so the whole idea of hiring a full-time

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staff member of animal pathologist was

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to actually do that kind of work and so

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it was a sort of an overt attempt to get

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a jump start on a field that was very

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very Arcane and very sort of mysterious

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I mean thousands of these cattle

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beginning in the 1960s on going into the

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1970s were being found dead on ranchers

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properties with parts removed either

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reproductive organs or lips or eyes or

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tongues and it was uh it was a mystery

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nobody had been caught or charged in

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decades which is a very unusual

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situation because normally if you've got

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a quote-unquote serial killer you know

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eventually they're caught in charge but

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this was decades later during the 90s

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and this had been going on for 30 to 40

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years without anybody getting charged or

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caught so nids nids

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you know got a DVM PhD

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um animal pathologist

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right from the get-go in order to sort

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of get a jump start on animal

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mutilations we thought we could solve it

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and probably you know

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um maybe six months to a year but you

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know uh we were sort of uh I think we

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were met with an awful lot more uh

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complexity George has along the way

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really kind of educated me on all this

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history and stuff I didn't know about

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animal mutilations I was interested in

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nuts and bolts and flying saucers right

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over the over time you know George has

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kind of showed me here's where the FBI

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was involved here's in the 70s what

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happened here are the documented cases

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the pathology labs and then working with

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you I kind of started getting a bigger

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picture but just for our audience or

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anybody who's unfamiliar with this when

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we talk about something as mysterious as

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the UFO phenomenon I'd begrudgingly had

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to come to an understanding that

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possibly something like this what I

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considered this other mystery because I

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wasn't listening to people who are who

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were experiencing these things

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that this other mystery in my mind might

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have or be correlated to the UFO

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phenomenon right but when you're

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studying it with nids at the beginning

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a scientific team and and you're you're

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you know on the ground you're going to

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these things you're doing pathologies

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you're doing stuff that like other the

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governments wouldn't do right in your

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mind did you make any association

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immediately that this has something to

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do with a bigger phenomenon are we just

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looking at mutilations and trying to

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find the killers I think a bit of both

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um I I know the veterinarian that joined

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National Institute for Discovery Science

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was very skeptical about any possible

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linkage between UFOs and calculations

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however uh the literature that we looked

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into suggested that there were a lot of

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unusual lights in the sky that usually

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were seen by ranchers or people close to

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ranchers immediately preceding finding

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their animal dead in the posture the

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following day so that's the last thing

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they would report that's been when

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George and I have studied specific cases

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with this mutilation thing under the

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radar although filmed uh what what's

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interesting is that that's the the last

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thing a Rancher wants to tell you

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they'll tell you somebody [\h__\h] up my

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cow and I'd like them arrested I'd like

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to find out what's going on yeah but

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they they're hesitant to tell you the

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lights thing or the what what else they

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see well I'd add this is you know I've

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reported it a number of times the number

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we use is there's been at least 10 000

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cases reported and uh you know it's

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supposedly satanic Cults out there

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carving up cows and other animals or

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it's coyotes doing it obviously it is

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not coyotes or Predators doing it we'll

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get into that but also the Cults I mean

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where are all these Beals above uh

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worshipers are running around out in

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ranches and how are they have never been

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caught the actual number is probably

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many times that because ranchers

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experience this they don't want to deal

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with it they dig a hole throw the cow in

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it and and just forget about it they

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don't report it to anyone so the actual

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problem could be a lot bigger than than

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what anybody knows well it is you and I

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all the time get cases associated with

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this where they're like we want you want

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to tell you we want to show you photos

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we don't want it public we don't want

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our name and you know one we were able

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to go investigate and but the the whole

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thing is is that you're right this is

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not something that is just on their

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got a call from the guy in Dumas Texas

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and he has what appears to be an

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exceptionally interesting Academy

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relation I'm going to show you the

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photos from it

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see if you think this is a valid case I

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like to meet with George Knapp because

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he has walked the walk for decades

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before me we're talking about a reporter

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who has broken global news from the mob

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to political investigations he's a

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touchstone for truth there aren't many

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things we can say for sure about this

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but there are a couple one is we know at

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least 10 000 cases in all 50 states

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they've been reported since the 1970s

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I'm going to share something with you

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that is pretty startling this is a paper

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that was written by needs National

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Institute for Discovery Science one of

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the investigations that They carried out

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was in Montana there was a sheriff his

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county is home to Malmstrom Air Force

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Base nuclear missiles yeah and there

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were a whole outbreak of these UFO

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sightings over the missile bases but by

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the way just interject in Dumas Texas is

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one of the largest nuclear missile

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disarmament and maintenance facilities

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extraordinary coincidence well it is

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exactly the pattern that happened in

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Montana over a series of years they had

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something like 200 mutilations in this

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guy's County and it was happening in the

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same time period that UFOs were

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appearing over these missile silos some

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of those silos were taken down they were

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inoperative for a period of time by what

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the story has put out its mystery

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helicopters holy [\h__\h] it was reported by

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ignored it it's well documented this is

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a report by the FBI in the late 70s a

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big outbreak of capital mutilations and

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some U.S senators said hey let's get to

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the bottom of this the ranchers are

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raised in hell and they hired an ex-fbi

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agent and basically gave him an

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assignment explain this this is the

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actual FBI on the FBI right he took a

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lot of legitimate evidence and then gave

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a whitewash explanation that it's

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Predators it's [\h__\h] it's not

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Predators contrary to the FBI and the

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government's attempts to wipe this away

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with that that report yeah the mystery

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continues if cattle mutilation

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does happen in waves we have a

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re-emergence there have been you know

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really concerted efforts to make the

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public ignore it and explain it away the

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Public's not stupid Witnesses are

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reaching out to me now it's [\h__\h]

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amazing when I started doing this I

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never wanted to touch the mutilation

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topic so strange and Fringe people

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equate them with UFOs and government

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conspiracies but I can't ignore the

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facts there's physical evidence and when

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there's physical evidence there's

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something we can learn from that you see

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patterns happening here that are

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intertwined with these cases of true